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Gunner Nightingale wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

That's the thing, New Eden is a different culture and landscape with a mindset that is completely different from that of other cultures/landscapes. In a handful of games they tend to be tailored to players of the lowest common denominator (self-entitled scrubs). In New Eden, you are thrown into a harsh world where every screw up you make will stick with you until you biomass your character. Keep in mind that New Eden has been running strong for 10 years with a vibrant economy that is controlled almost entirely by players, scams and ponzi schemes that can be compared to real-world equivalents, and intricate spy networks that can make the CIA and KGB jealous.

Also, you're wrong that nobody will care because there are a number of us who do. We may be few in numbers compared to other big-hit titles like CoD and Halo, but we are the one who will make the future bright for Dust just like how the few capsuleers from Eve's early beta period stuck around and helped forge a game that is so successful that Guild Wars 2 tried (but failed) to emulate Eve's economy while others like Perpetuum Online tried to completely copy Eve Online (notice the similarities with the menu and overview?).

Us "few" mercs who stay dedicated to Dust will, with the help of Eve Online players, will help the game improve for the next 10 years just like how Eve has during it's past 10 years.

I agree with you and a lot of players here that Dust is not perfect and is in fact crap by current standards. But then again, so was Eve Online when it was first released. When Eve first came out, many players predicted that it will fail horribly very quickly. Those doomsayers even went as far as saying that the company will probably shut down or that the game's cut-throat nature will be its downfall. 10 years later, Eve is still around and much stronger than ever with it's own player-elected representatives which Dust players will have as well. In fact, according to Forbes.com, Eve Online is currently one of the rare few games out there that has maintained a steady climb of subscriptions year after year in an era where Free-to-Play and Microtransactions are dominating the market.

That to me is a sign that the Eve community is a strong and powerful community. And since that community is now working in conjunction with the Dust community, I doubt Dust will fail in the next 5 years at least.

There is an old saying in New Eden.

Never underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden. If you play Eve Online, you will know this all too well.

The difference is that EVE is a true MMO capable of allowing for large groups play together, also there are entities that can get new players into fighting shape in a matter of weeks and involved into the metagame quickly.This game however is an FPS and new players wont be able to get into PC environment where the "real" game is being fought and find any measure of success that will be tangible because they will simply outgeared and more the most part outskilled and zerging will never work, even in 256 v 256 if the maps are large enough it wont work because tactics and shooting skills will prevail if it actually works,(unless you prefer dice rolls in a shooter).

Its nice that you think the FPS is a minigame but guess what districts dont flip if ppl dont want to fight and people dont want to play an FPS that is boring and has no reliability. If you think that its sufficient and people will stick around to pew pew in a subpar experience you dont understand console FPS, moreover that is how people will view this game sorry when you log on and play the "minigame" you are playing an FPS.

Now if the goal is to simply drive out competitive FPS and the players that follow it then yea proceed to carry on but if you think that console side it will attract enough MMO players to the fold and play PC i think you underestimate market trends and demographics of console players.

Also 10 years ago youtube and twitch were not remotely prevalent as they are today. You honestly think people get excited to play this game, clearly you didn't participate during the escapistmagazine event where trying to get the streamers to have fun with the actual gameplay vs the community of players that were making the experience entertaining is telling.

The majority of players log on because of the social nature of the game and this i agree will help drive the game but if you can get that same social experience in a game that simply functions better that is where people will go and there are IP's in the work that will offer the persistence and large scale FPS and MMO and you honestly think that that game will be the less successful IP on console?

Don't get it mistaken i want this game to succeed it's why im still here and keep loggin back in. But if you don't make that "minigame" more enjoyable you simply aren't getting the numbers to make Dust viable long term, but im sure every EVE player will buy a PS3/4 to play this expansion right?


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The Cobra Commander Bojo's School of the Trades 5	Posted - 2013.04.12 15:06:00 - [1] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: That's the thing, New Eden is a different culture and landscape with a mindset that is completely different from that of other cultures/landscapes. In a handful of games they tend to be tailored to players of the lowest common denominator (self-entitled scrubs). In New Eden, you are thrown into a harsh world where every screw up you make will stick with you until you biomass your character. Keep in mind that New Eden has been running strong for 10 years with a vibrant economy that is controlled almost entirely by players, scams and ponzi schemes that can be compared to real-world equivalents, and intricate spy networks that can make the CIA and KGB jealous. Also, you're wrong that nobody will care because there are a number of us who do. We may be few in numbers compared to other big-hit titles like CoD and Halo, but we are the one who will make the future bright for Dust just like how the few capsuleers from Eve's early beta period stuck around and helped forge a game that is so successful that Guild Wars 2 tried (but failed) to emulate Eve's economy while others like Perpetuum Online tried to completely copy Eve Online (notice the similarities with the menu and overview?). Us "few" mercs who stay dedicated to Dust will, with the help of Eve Online players, will help the game improve for the next 10 years just like how Eve has during it's past 10 years. I agree with you and a lot of players here that Dust is not perfect and is in fact crap by current standards. But then again, so was Eve Online when it was first released. When Eve first came out, many players predicted that it will fail horribly very quickly. Those doomsayers even went as far as saying that the company will probably shut down or that the game's cut-throat nature will be its downfall. 10 years later, Eve is still around and much stronger than ever with it's own player-elected representatives which Dust players will have as well. In fact, according to Forbes.com, Eve Online is currently one of the rare few games out there that has maintained a steady climb of subscriptions year after year in an era where Free-to-Play and Microtransactions are dominating the market. That to me is a sign that the Eve community is a strong and powerful community. And since that community is now working in conjunction with the Dust community, I doubt Dust will fail in the next 5 years at least. There is an old saying in New Eden. Never underestimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden. If you play Eve Online, you will know this all too well. The difference is that EVE is a true MMO capable of allowing for large groups play together, also there are entities that can get new players into fighting shape in a matter of weeks and involved into the metagame quickly.This game however is an FPS and new players wont be able to get into PC environment where the "real" game is being fought and find any measure of success that will be tangible because they will simply outgeared and more the most part outskilled and zerging will never work, even in 256 v 256 if the maps are large enough it wont work because tactics and shooting skills will prevail if it actually works,(unless you prefer dice rolls in a shooter). Its nice that you think the FPS is a minigame but guess what districts dont flip if ppl dont want to fight and people dont want to play an FPS that is boring and has no reliability. If you think that its sufficient and people will stick around to pew pew in a subpar experience you dont understand console FPS, moreover that is how people will view this game sorry when you log on and play the "minigame" you are playing an FPS. Now if the goal is to simply drive out competitive FPS and the players that follow it then yea proceed to carry on but if you think that console side it will attract enough MMO players to the fold and play PC i think you underestimate market trends and demographics of console players. Also 10 years ago youtube and twitch were not remotely prevalent as they are today. You honestly think people get excited to play this game, clearly you didn't participate during the escapistmagazine event where trying to get the streamers to have fun with the actual gameplay vs the community of players that were making the experience entertaining is telling. The majority of players log on because of the social nature of the game and this i agree will help drive the game but if you can get that same social experience in a game that simply functions better that is where people will go and there are IP's in the work that will offer the persistence and large scale FPS and MMO and you honestly think that that game will be the less successful IP on console? Don't get it mistaken i want this game to succeed it's why im still here and keep loggin back in. But if you don't make that "minigame" more enjoyable you simply aren't getting the numbers to make Dust viable long term, but im sure every EVE player will buy a PS3/4 to play this expansion right? The bolded part is really key. I have said this many times. This game is on PS3 NOT PC. It seems that a lot of people underestimate this fact. PS3 players are not going to wait forever for CCP to get it right with DUST. I saw the review and regardless of how the person talked, he brought up some real serious issues with this game and for a lot of PS3 players these issues do not sit well. It will not matter that "diehards" from this forum run to Youtube and the comments section to try to put out every flame regarding this game if the over all PS3 community has rejected this game. You cannot look at what CCP did with EVE and think that it will be the same with a PS3 console. In general, console players are way less patient and once they have dropped a game, rarely do they come back.